All you should know about health insurance before buying
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Brother I have already put my disclaimer in 1 of the previous post. I m Doctor by profession. But i have interest in Finance & other things. Lockdown gave me spare time to post here in detail & now making spread sheet to make it more easier to compare. I haven’t recommended only single company in all my previous post. I give suggestion based on need of people & not advocating single product or company policy.
Yes I have taken sub agency to sell insurance policy of family member’s name. Those dimer who wants to purchase through me, I can give additional discount to them. But prime purpose is it make people aware about detail T&C of health insurance which they are buying.
Any problem in it brother?
What information I received today is – National Insurance has increased premium rate by whopping 50% & if now I compare rates of National Insurance with other private players in 60+ age, premium is more in National !!!
Also Apollo (Now Hdfc) has increased premium by around 25% in easy health plan & around 5% in Optima restore plan.
So this is the answer to some people here who were arguing with me when I told premium will increase where business is not viable. (I said SBI Arogya plan is good for old age people but premium won’t sustain at such low rate for long)
When increased? Psu bhi?
In Arogya plus people can take policy of 3 years once and get long term discount too total premium for three years will be 24775
including all taxes and the i think 3 year option is better option if any body has doubt
People were doubting since 10 years approx on this policy till now nothing changed till now so use the best opportunity right now
u can port or either take new policy at above premium one year premium is 8927 including taxes and 15 percent Discounts and
disclaimer- dont expect any type of cash back as i cant offer any as i am a employee not a agent so cant offer any so kindly dont ask any and what i can provide is i can provide is mentioned above and my one of my friend is agents and insurance broker and they can provide you only cash back and Discount any applicable for other policies either motor,health,or life
I you want one can pm me….
BE wise Choose wisely….
Just for clarification to all Dimers – Why I am saying that SBI arogya plus premium won’t sustain at this level
Total premium amount is 10500
- Remove 18% Gst from it – 8900rs. remaining
- Remove 15-20% commission – 7120rs. remaining
- Remove 20% for staff salary, TPA expense, Rental Offices, advertisement, miscellaneous expense – 5700rs. remaining
(This expense applies to all company & not only SBI)
So, total 10502rs. u pay, actual amount company has to settle claim is only 5700rs. Now for normal malaria, dengue, typhoid, diarrhoea we are seeing bill amount of 1 lac. How will they settle it? Rough calculation – Any one who take this policy & make only 1 claim of 1 lac within next 17 years then only company can bear it. Any frequent claim or more than this amount claim then from where money will come?
Just think logical & do some maths. How this rate is sustainable? Also remember it is subsidiary company of SBI. They won’t be getting direct support from government like some of other PSU getting. Also they are planning for IPO & within next 2 years, they will be listed on exchanges (like SBI life, SBI card etc.). If they are here for profit making then how they can bear loss in case of higher claim amount? Also do check their Claim incurred ratio – Whether it is stable or increasing. Once it will be above 100% be ready for premium hike.
I am here in DD since may be last 7 years & I will be here after 5 years also. We will check whether after 5 years, they are giving this policy at same rate or not…
Doctor sahab dont be a Actuary SBI GIC dont only sell Sbi health policy we sell all general insurance products and ACTUARY know what they doing and at what price they are issuing policies and if you are a ACTURY and not a agent then please guide dont think you are more knowledgeable person than the people who are running insurance company.
Please dont provide provide your illlogical logics and they know more than you what they are doing and what products they have designed.
Do you know ABOUT AROGYA PREMIERE POLICY this policy is the answer to all your query like features you were providing check yourself and compare features and Premium too and for your Information this group is created for welfare of dimers and people and i am also a member of desidime and i have to right to express my feelings too..
disclaimer-
AGENT ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL AROGYA PREMIERE Policy
Only employees can sell Policy with 15 percent discount and For your information we can also provide Policy to single person say a lady for 10 lakhs at 9000 Rs approx With Maternity or Pregnancy cover,Air ambulance cover and Organ donor expenses tooo like optima restore and other benefits sum insured 10 lakhs.
Which No agent or broker Can provide that the reason agents prefer selling High Premium Policy as they are not allowed to Sell this policy of SBI AROGYA PREMIERE AND SOME OTHER PRODUCTS LIKE GHI and they are Digging holes in Peoples and dimers pockets
So Dimers be wise and choose Wisely…..
Some policies were made for the welfare of the people where product are designed at no Profit and No loss ratioes too Like PMSBY accident insurance 12 rs one and PMJJY Life insurance policy of 2 lakhs at 330 rs only… So dimers be wise choose wise
Listen to everyone’s advice, but take your own decisions.…
How is edelweiss Tokyo for term insurance, claim settlement ratio is 97.8%
Edelweiss is a fairly new player and it has been in operation only few years. Also of you check their counts, they are very less. Hence that would define the ratio. Obviously they are trying to go big in general insurance category.
Health insurance update – I posted last time that Apollo Munich has increase rate by 5-25% in various plan.
In this revision, they have included many disease / procedure which were earlier in exclusion list like oral chemotherapy, stem cell therapy, robotic surgery, parkinson’s disease, alzhiemer’s disease, peritoneal dialysis, artificial life maintenance, genetic, mental disease etc.
What I was waiting for most – Monoclonal antibodies have also been added. (Routinely use in many cancer treatment) & same I mentioned in my comparison sheet with negative remarks.
A welcome step by company but with increase in premium…
Hi, my mom was detected with oral cancer in 2017 and was operated for the same and now is cancer free I just wanna ask is there any company that offers health insurance for such people
Check for star health cancer care plan.
If I will come across any other similar plan, will post it here…
Any comparison for Super Top up? Looking for a deductible of Rs. 3 lac and sum insured of around Rs.10 lac. No co-pay.
I m yet to make detail sheet on it. T&C of super top-up are more complicated than base policy…
It also depends on whether later on u want to convert super top-up into base policy, as only few insurer gives that option…
You can buy manipal cigna plan …i got 20L cover with 3L deductible for a family of 3 at 999/year
Are u referring Ola money manipal cigna plan?
Don’t just go for cheap plan. Read T&C carefully bro.
If u r talking about ola money cigna super top-up plan then, For calculating deductible amount – They have written only hospitalization claim will be admissible. It means that u have to achieve deductible amount for only In-patient hospitalization claim.
Let me give u example. (for super top-up plan with 5 lac deductible)
In claim no. 1 – Suppose u have pre hospitalization amount (Diagnostic, medicine, doctor consultation) of 20k & hospitalization amount of 4.5 lac & post hospitalization amount of 30k. So total 5 lac used in this claim.
In claim 2 – u have to pay 20+30k by urself (pre & post hospitalization amount) & then only ur super top-up policy will trigger!!!
This is called hidden T&C. They will rob u at the time of claim. They made plan cheaper by just adding 1 word in policy wordings – hospitalization !!!
मैंने medical insurance लिया है pnb से जो कि new india assurance से colaborrate है इसे लिए हुए मुझे 3 साल हो गाये है इस बार कैरोना की वजह से में बैंक नही जा पा रहा हूँ क्या मुझे इस साल का premium भरना चाहिए ?
या कैरोन के खत्म होने के बाद भारु कही मेरा insurance खत्म तो नही हो जाएगा ?
Usually insurance company gives grace period of 15 days. If u don’t pay even during grace period, ur policy lapse.
However due to covid condition, do check if they have given any extra time to pay (Like LIC did for life Insurance i guess)
Kindly suggest a good policy for 5-7 lac cover ( 4 person) father (47) mother (45) me (20) sis (12)
Fam Floater
Please check sbi general insurance top up and check features can provide Policy wording too check compare with super top up and buy
Its best for persons required for High suminsured
For example for people upto 55 years age any one have 10 lakhs policy opt deductable of 10 lakhs and take sum insured 50 lakhs premium will be 200 to 300 rs only please check policy wording and compare features with other company super top up before buying as per above communication above i think its better to opt for top up instead of super top up due to high premium and only hospitalization cover etc….
Be wise and choose wisely..
You Can pm me for any help…
There is some confusion among dimers regarding my previous post of calculating deductible. Let me clarify.
I have never said that super top-up policy doesn’t cover pre & post hospitalization. Almost all super top-up cover it.
Catch is – how they calculate deductible amount after which ur super top-up policy gets triggered. If they have mentioned only hospitalization expense in wordings then be prepared to give difference amount under the deduction head of – Threshold level not reached before triggering super top-up policy.
Now read my example again. Still any query or confusion is there, pm me.
Guys if u have to choose Gun to shoot someone, what will u choose
1) A gun worth 300rs., but uncertain about triggered (late triggered, no triggered etc.) Or
2) A gun worth 1000rs. But certain about triggered?
Now corelate ur answer with Top up policy, cheap super top-up policy with hidden T&C & good super top-up policy.
Be smart & wise, don’t just go for cheap alone without reading T&C
@MJ911
Need to update following things in 1st post. Kindly do needful.
6) 6th Point (sub limit on room rent)
Change title to – 6) Sub Limit or Capping
Change writing to – Many policy have sub limits on Room rent, ICU charges, capping on cataract, Knee replacement surgery etc.
If ur bill goes beyond these permissible limit, they will deduct all charges on pro-rata basis & not alone room charges (Like doctor consultation, laboratory charges, OT charges, procedure charges etc.)
Also keep in mind that these sum limit of Room rent includes – Room charges, nursing charges, injection charges, Ventilator charges (if used in ICU) etc.
So better to choose plan which don’t have sub limits or capping.
14) Exclusion
Remove point no. 2 (Neurological ….), 6 (stem cell transplant), 11 (Robotic surgery…)
Add following points in it
- Cosmetic surgery
- Experimental, unproven treatment
- Hospitalization just for investigation or diagnosis
- Assisted Reproduction (IUI, IVF etc.), birth control related procedures
Apart from these following are excluded in majority policy (Except Apollo has recently added it in inclusion list)
- Neurological diseases like Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s disease etc.
- Stem cell transplant
- Robotic surgery, LASER, Light treatment (Remember if you are living in metro cities then some of sophisticated hospitals do have Da vinci Robot & they use it frequently – but your insurance won’t cover it)
19) Top-up / Super Top-up plan
In this section below the case 2 wordings over (Whole paragraph – this has to kept unchanged),
starting from ( After extensive research……… till last line of that post delete everything)
& add following thing
For easy comparison of all features of different company’s plan at one place, I have made Google Spread Sheet. This sheet will help everyone to compare & decide best policy for them. Those dimers who want it can request it here or pm me.
Also I am in the process of making another similar sheet for comparison of Top-up / Super-top plan & also for special need plan Like maternity, cancer, cardiac, senior citizen Etc.
Disclaimer: I am doctor by profession but I have interest & knowledge in Finance. Prime purpose is to help people & prevent victim of mis-selling of insurance. If u have any query, ask it here or Pm me.
Some minor correction needed in 1st post.
In point no. 14 (Exclusion) – Assisted Reproduction (IUI, IVF etc.), birth control related procedures is written twice. Kindly delete 1 of them.
& Previously it was there but somehow deleted in above edit version. So, kindly add following lines in same point no. 14 (Exclusion).
- Apart from this common list, many insurer have added some more exclusions (E.g. Some Specific medicines are excluded) & some black listed hospitals. Do check for it in policy wordings or I have highlighted such comapny specific unique exclusion in my google spread sheet, u can go through it.
Those people who are worrying extremely about claim rejection by company arguing Disease was pre-existing & not disclosed by insured person – Here is 1 good article worthing reading.
https://www.basunivesh.com/2020/06/10/health-in...
Conclusion is – You are liable only if you know that u had disease in the past & still u didn’t disclose it to company. If there was hidden disease which u weren’t aware about at the time of policy purchase, then u r not liable for it & ur insurer have to pay claim amount in such cases.
Also I have found 2 very good documents where insured person have complaint against insurance company for various reasons.
http://ecoi.co.in/GIC/mediclaim/Individual%20Me...
http://www.ecoi.co.in/GIC/mediclaim/Individual%...
It is kala chithha of all insurance company & those who thinks PSU is most generous to give claim, above 2 pdf will be eye-opener for them !!!
Don’t hide any information. Go with best company & still they reject ur claim (Bad luck) then insurance ombudsman, consumer courts are there to listen (Ofcourse its headache, that’s why we need to go with least notorious company.)
Hi, i am planning to buy health insurance from universal sompo or SBI retail health insurance with no capping please suggest.
How is Medi claim plus policy issued by Mobikwik in partnership with max bupa…?
I haven’t gone through details of this policy. But I would refrain myself from buying such group policy.
Recently we were discussing similar kind of ola money cigna policy. But T&C says policy exists only till ur active customer of ola. If ur account blocked by any reason, ur policy gone. So better check such thing before purchasing.
Also mobikwik’s existance in long way itself is questionable & only few company is accepting port request from such group policy.
COVID-19 update:
Icici health insurance have shorten waiting period for Covid-19 cases from 30 days to 15 days for new purchase of policy.
Aditya birla health insurance have agreed to pay for PPE kits – Maximum 2500rs per day in wards, Maximum 5000rs. Per day in ICU.
Usually this charges are not payable in any health insurance policy.
A welcome step
How is the overall review of icici health insurance ?
Additionally option to enroll policy with Opd claims at extra premium
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Rewards program if insured has gym membership, marathon participation and few other ways to earn tiny rewards
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No cap on room rent
Heard good reviews of Icici. Although I haven’t read policy wordings so can’t comment on it (Need to check features, exclusion, pricing etc.).
Kindly pm me brochure & policy wordings, if u have. I will read it & revert back.https://www.icicilombard.com/docs/default-sourc...
https://www.icicilombard.com/docs/default-sourc...
https://www.icicilombard.com/docs/default-sourc...
you can add this company to health insurance comparison.
3 products they have
iHealth Budget
iHealth Value
iHealth Plus
How’s GoDigit health insurance? Has anyone tried them out?
something new way of setting the limit for Post discharge.
Post Hospitalization Lumpsum
The lumsump amount for the same will be 1.5% of your approved claimed amount.
Plz share/pm me the spreadsheet link
Check, Manipal Cigna health insurance, I have taken this insurance Pro Health Insurance Policy… comparatively better..
I have same, and works out pretty good for me after 2k OTC claims per person per year.
Will there be waiting period of 30 days for all policies
https://www.policyx.com/health-insurance/star-h...
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Except for accident, all other diseases have minimum waiting period of 30 days in all policy.
Thanks .
Also which one do u suggest for a family ?
Looking for a premium of approx 25 L .
I need to take policy for my father.He has done angioplasty 3 years back and he is 62 years old..No other pre existing disease…I tried star health cardiac care plan,but they asked to go for comprehensive plan which I rejected since too expensive.
For pre-existing cardiac disease, I am only aware about Star health cardiac plan. Cardiac care plan has very less waiting period while comprehensive plan has higher waiting period too.
Thanks bro.
Sent link, check pm.
Corona kavach policy will be launched soon by all insurance.
Here are the details of it
Very Good elaboration.
So you sell insurance policies?