older vehicle users (except Honda, Toyota) are you planning anything for the E20 fuel regime?
Except for those who drive Honda, Toyota 🚘vehicles🚗
others with 🏍️vehicles🛻 older than 2½-3 years
how (if at all) do you intend to go about the rather expedited progression to E20 fuel.. correction: E20 Petrol.. in India from 2025?
Honda says that all their vehicles sold even in India since a decade and half are capable of handling E20 fuel.
While Toyota has said that all their cars sold in India for o⃨v⃨e⃨r⃨ a⃨ d⃨e⃨c⃨a⃨d⃨e⃨ are already capable of handling E20 fuel (E20 petrol).
However, for other vehicle owners with vehicles older than 3-4 years, what might you do in the years to come?
This is what i was wondering and hence this query/post.
Ethanol which can be produced from bio sources (fermenting sugars) greatly helps reduce the fossil fuel import bill (for our country).
Governments already pushed through with introducing E10.Petrol for some years now.
(Although E10 petrol means that there would be 10% ethanol in the blend, the actual ethanol can average to around 11.50% too.)
Now however, to reduce our oil/ fuel import bill further, the governments have decided to not wait till (the initially planned) 2030.
Instead, by 2025 (and definitely before 2026) the petrol dispensed from the pumps into our vehicles might be a blend of about 80% petrol and 20% ethanol.
As per the technical specifications, the vehicles designed (¿certified?) by the manufacturers/ brands as E10 (ten percent ethanol blend) compliant
m̳a̳y̳ n̳o̳t̳ sustain same standards as when E20 fuel is used in them.. UNLESS some retrofitting of parts is done.
‣ Would you sell/ discard/ give away (the vehicles not compliant for use with E20 fuel blend)?
‣ Would you rather pay EVEN FOR getting E20 compliant engines in the existing vehicle/s that you use?
‣ At most you might consider having the fuel lines, gaskets and other things replaced for them to not corrode excessively due to the higher ethanol (than what the vehicle was originally designed for)?
‣ You would rather switch to hybrid or completely to PNG/CNG kit (getting CNG/PNG kit custom fitted in the vehicle) and otherwise continue to use the vehicle/s with the manufacturer supplied parts (fuel lines, same engine)?
‣ You are a fatalist or otherwise unconcerned (or are ready to check what happens) and would continue using the E10 complaint vehicle/s with the new E20 fuel.. without doing anything specific?
Obviously some brands explicitly state that the 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐲 can only be honoured and the 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐲 only remains in force if the vehicle/s are used as per specified conditions, so in cases where an older (older than 2023) vehicle says that it is designed for a maximum E10 blend, then
using E20 fuel in it is grounds for 𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐝ing the 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐲 (if any).
Higher ethanol also degrades efficiency in the currently available vehicles (as compared to when the same vehicles are run on pure petrol, with no additives/ no ethanol.)
And as already mentioned, the higher corrosiveness (of ethanol as compared to fossil fuels like petrol, diesel) would surely have adverse impact on rubber parts/ fuel supply lines, gaskets and EVEN THE ENGINE itself (including the combustion chamber) or EVERYTHING from where the fuel passes and comes i'm contact with.
Some manufacturers who claim to have E20 compliant vehicles have in reality merely 'coated' the fuel tank surfaces and other parts with some coating.
Other manufacturers have gone to the extent of entirely changing the materials or the overall material quality.
@admin, @bumblefoot, @deb3l, @ankur2.0, @Rosh_0007, @James_012 Since this topic 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 intended to be 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 what the authorities, government could have, should have done, nor is it intended to seek opinions, rants about what people think is a better course of action for India or debating such things
𝐢 𝐫𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨 kindly monitor the activity AND IF YOU FIND something like that happening or other irrelevant, spam discussions happening or monkeys acting like themselves then ₋/|\₋𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐥𝐲🙏🏼 r̳e̳m̳o̳v̳e̳/ s̳h̳i̳f̳t̳ this whole topic O̳U̳T̳ of Dost and Dimes.😔
All I am looking forward to is analysing what people generally might opt to do with their older vehicles (vehicles non compliant with E20 fuel) in the coming 18-25 months.
others with 🏍️vehicles🛻 older than 2½-3 years
how (if at all) do you intend to go about the rather expedited progression to E20 fuel.. correction: E20 Petrol.. in India from 2025?
𝐂𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐱𝐭
Honda says that all their vehicles sold even in India since a decade and half are capable of handling E20 fuel.
While Toyota has said that all their cars sold in India for o⃨v⃨e⃨r⃨ a⃨ d⃨e⃨c⃨a⃨d⃨e⃨ are already capable of handling E20 fuel (E20 petrol).
However, for other vehicle owners with vehicles older than 3-4 years, what might you do in the years to come?
This is what i was wondering and hence this query/post.
Ethanol which can be produced from bio sources (fermenting sugars) greatly helps reduce the fossil fuel import bill (for our country).
Governments already pushed through with introducing E10.Petrol for some years now.
(Although E10 petrol means that there would be 10% ethanol in the blend, the actual ethanol can average to around 11.50% too.)
Now however, to reduce our oil/ fuel import bill further, the governments have decided to not wait till (the initially planned) 2030.
Instead, by 2025 (and definitely before 2026) the petrol dispensed from the pumps into our vehicles might be a blend of about 80% petrol and 20% ethanol.
As per the technical specifications, the vehicles designed (¿certified?) by the manufacturers/ brands as E10 (ten percent ethanol blend) compliant
m̳a̳y̳ n̳o̳t̳ sustain same standards as when E20 fuel is used in them.. UNLESS some retrofitting of parts is done.
𝐎𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬
‣ Would you sell/ discard/ give away (the vehicles not compliant for use with E20 fuel blend)?
‣ Would you rather pay EVEN FOR getting E20 compliant engines in the existing vehicle/s that you use?
‣ At most you might consider having the fuel lines, gaskets and other things replaced for them to not corrode excessively due to the higher ethanol (than what the vehicle was originally designed for)?
‣ You would rather switch to hybrid or completely to PNG/CNG kit (getting CNG/PNG kit custom fitted in the vehicle) and otherwise continue to use the vehicle/s with the manufacturer supplied parts (fuel lines, same engine)?
‣ You are a fatalist or otherwise unconcerned (or are ready to check what happens) and would continue using the E10 complaint vehicle/s with the new E20 fuel.. without doing anything specific?
Obviously some brands explicitly state that the 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐲 can only be honoured and the 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐲 only remains in force if the vehicle/s are used as per specified conditions, so in cases where an older (older than 2023) vehicle says that it is designed for a maximum E10 blend, then
using E20 fuel in it is grounds for 𝐯𝐨𝐢𝐝ing the 𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐲 (if any).
Higher ethanol also degrades efficiency in the currently available vehicles (as compared to when the same vehicles are run on pure petrol, with no additives/ no ethanol.)
And as already mentioned, the higher corrosiveness (of ethanol as compared to fossil fuels like petrol, diesel) would surely have adverse impact on rubber parts/ fuel supply lines, gaskets and EVEN THE ENGINE itself (including the combustion chamber) or EVERYTHING from where the fuel passes and comes i'm contact with.
Some manufacturers who claim to have E20 compliant vehicles have in reality merely 'coated' the fuel tank surfaces and other parts with some coating.
Other manufacturers have gone to the extent of entirely changing the materials or the overall material quality.
@admin, @bumblefoot, @deb3l, @ankur2.0, @Rosh_0007, @James_012 Since this topic 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 intended to be 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 what the authorities, government could have, should have done, nor is it intended to seek opinions, rants about what people think is a better course of action for India or debating such things
𝐢 𝐫𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨 kindly monitor the activity AND IF YOU FIND something like that happening or other irrelevant, spam discussions happening or monkeys acting like themselves then ₋/|\₋𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐥𝐲🙏🏼 r̳e̳m̳o̳v̳e̳/ s̳h̳i̳f̳t̳ this whole topic O̳U̳T̳ of Dost and Dimes.😔
All I am looking forward to is analysing what people generally might opt to do with their older vehicles (vehicles non compliant with E20 fuel) in the coming 18-25 months.
Thanks.
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Thanks:-)for sharing this.
I was unaware that they are ALREADY sneaking E20 up.. into our tanks!
I am not sure about the mileage or costs, but I think TVS (EV) two-wheelers too are good.
I mean I once saw you favourably 'react' to a post about providing 'English' translation.. and someone had posted (in Latin script but) Hindi language. So I hazard a guess that you might be from a non Hindi speaking belt or even (specifically) from southern India.
TVS there is fairly established AND TRUSTED.
The other day, I sat on someone's toy (it was marketed by Ola as an electric scooter).
I am over 95 kilograms, even without clothes, so soon after sitting pillion behind the owner.. we got to visit paatal-lok. The toy sank 80000 feet below sea level.
Similar toys from other local (assembled) brands too sell for under hundred thousand INR.
But the Honda/ Bajaj/ TVS ones I saw people using were around 140-150 thousand INR and the users were readonably satisfied with them.
We have to weight for sold state battery technology to become commercially scalable, viable and economical.Akira Yoshino developed and Sony Corporation finally commercially produced Lithium-ion cells.
But otherwise there has been little to no progress or innovation in the technology.
Otherwise too, (chemically) there are technical limitations (on what output lithium-ion cells can give) and otherwise too it is unviable, unsustainable in the long run (given the child labour employed in the mines in African or other countries).
I was unaware that they are ALREADY sneaking E20 up.. into our tanks!
I am not sure about the mileage or costs, but I think TVS (EV) two-wheelers too are good.
I mean I once saw you favourably 'react' to a post about providing 'English' translation.. and someone had posted (in Latin script but) Hindi language. So I hazard a guess that you might be from a non Hindi speaking belt or even (specifically) from southern India.
TVS there is fairly established AND TRUSTED.
The other day, I sat on someone's toy (it was marketed by Ola as an electric scooter).
I am over 95 kilograms, even without clothes, so soon after sitting pillion behind the owner.. we got to visit paatal-lok. The toy sank 80000 feet below sea level.
Similar toys from other local (assembled) brands too sell for under hundred thousand INR.
But the Honda/ Bajaj/ TVS ones I saw people using were around 140-150 thousand INR and the users were readonably satisfied with them.
We have to weight for sold state battery technology to become commercially scalable, viable and economical.Akira Yoshino developed and Sony Corporation finally commercially produced Lithium-ion cells.
But otherwise there has been little to no progress or innovation in the technology.
Otherwise too, (chemically) there are technical limitations (on what output lithium-ion cells can give) and otherwise too it is unviable, unsustainable in the long run (given the child labour employed in the mines in African or other countries).
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I have a 5yr old Apache in top running condition. I don't think its even capable of handling E10 fuel. E20 is already in the pumps. I am planning on selling it off and buying an EV when a good brand starts selling an EV with a real world mileage of 100km under 1L.