Want to relocate from Delhi NCR, exploring options
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I am living in gurgaon with my small family of 4 members(wife+2 kids) though my company has permanent remote work setup and doesn't have any office in NCR .i am planning to stay in this organization for few years.
Though i now own my house here given the kind of pollution NCR now have in most of the months in the year I really feel bad for keeping my kids in this chamber because I don't really need to live here.
I am exploring places to live which has good environment, good education and health facilities. Home town is not an option for me as that is equally polluted. And I am not looking to go to Himachal, UK or east. I was thinking of Chandigarh but that seems to be equally bad.
What do you guys suggest, it's a difficult decision for me because my elder kid is already in class 1,I want to make sure that I dont keep switching locations as this can be emotionally draining for such young kid to lose friends, so I want settle to a place where I can atleast spend 4-5 years.
Thanks for reading though long post. Would love to hear your thoughts
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However, better than NCR
That would be more bad if he is a Hindi speaking person
Rent here is going crazy and with the number of societies that are under development it will be next gurugram in 5 years
Hyderabad can be a good option but almost all tier 1 cities have issues some has pollution some has water and sewage issue some dont have public infrastructure like metro etc. schooling in Hyderabad is damm expensive 3-4 l per year for primary education in new Hyderabad were offices are there. Best is settle in some tier 2 town.
(...as this can be emotionally draining for such young kid to lose friends..)
They will cope well and/or enrich themselves with all kinds of new experiences.
Not sure whether the real estate in Gurugram was planned as a capital asset or as an 'investment',
but from my family's experience... of selling the (DLF) Silver Oaks property (a decade plus after taking possession from the builder).. it felt like.. DadiMaa was so right.
If DadiMaa had her way, her sons would eat from silver utensils daily and put more and more money in gold.
(iron, silver, gold were here preferred metals, than alloys like steel.)
If you really feel confident that remote maintaining a property in Gurugram.. will not be a strain for you, then fine.
But (from the looks of it) if there is not much emotional attachment to Gurugram and with another 2-3 decades (and more) of productive life left
it would not be much of a regret to have one's time and other resources focussed/ focused elsewhere (than to remote manage a property in a bustling town).
God forbid if it remains vacant for a couple of months, you might also start taking calls from relatives/friends
..arey webcoder, wo apne Tyagi ji hein nn! Unke chhotey bete ki shaadi hai.
Bahot insist kar rahe they ki aana hee padega.
Hum soch rahe they.. abb hotel mein kyun rukkey¿ jab webcoder ka ghar.. khaali hee pada hai.
Chaar din ki hee tou baat hai.
(Translation: o webcoder, isn't your property in Gurugram vacant? Actually missus is VERY close to her aunt... who has had a major surgery, just yesterday. For few days, missus really wants to be close to her aunt and get her home cooked meals. Gimme your property's keys.)
If you have already shot down the quieter, hilly environs of Uttarakhand, Himachal and are not keeping eastern places on your radar
then nothing much to suggest really.
It might have helped to know your/ your better half's cultural preferences or cultural background or rather how you might gel with what kind of people.
For example, Rajasthan is close by.
It has both vegetarian and non-vegetarian, business background and service/profession background people,
it can have both.. super traditional localities (where kids and elders take time to draw rangolis for even smallest of occasions) .. as also localities where nobody raises eyes if teenaged kids are out late, with other friends (all of whom wearing the kind of clothes which was DEFINITELY not an option in our lifetimes).
You kids are young. THESE things WILL matter.
Although only for someone in our close circle family.. it happened in Ghaziabad, Gurugram itself.
Other kids can straight-up say things like: 👶🏻Raani👧🏻 ki family 'gareeb' hai. Inkey paas sirf ek car hai, woh bhi Maruti swift.
Such things can and do happen elsewhere too.
AFTER moving somewhere.. guardians/you will have little control in shielding the kids from various types of experiences.
Even in (4 million population types) mid-sized cities/locations with heavy traffic in mornings, evenings and other pollution
it IS possible to have an apartment 80-90 feet above the ground in the outskirts... with less high-rise construction around.. so that the winds/breeze ensures less smog is present.
Other than education, you mentioned medical facilities.
Education is more or less standardised.
But in some places, decent medical facilities are an issue or are exorbitant/ rip-off.
Is Odisha in 'east' according to you thewebcoder?
Disclaimer: till now, I have only informed about things, facts and/or asked questions.
Nothing in my above lines may be construed as a 'recommendation'.
Rajasthan was just a topical example and Odisha query was just to gauge your response/s.
If it were for me to recommend, I would still.. only nudge.
Places like Australia, Scandinavian countries are 'under' populated.. when it comes to (white collar) skilled labour.
Most of Australia, Scandinavian countries are fairly 'khula khula' and are ready on one feet (ek taang par khade ho kar swaagat karne ke liye tayaar rehti hein) to welcome skilled people in their countries.
Scandinavian countries mein.. "kulfi" khareedni nahin padti.
Single layer ya double layer clothing mein.. shaam ko baahar niklo.. tou khud kulfi ban jaaatey hein.
While in some parts of Australia, one can have the privilege of the coroner stating.. the cause of death as
got kicked to death by a dinosaur.
😁👍🏼
So yeah, Scandinavian countries, Australia have their own charm. Definitely more airy.
The African descent locals, migrants from Africa, Asia that I have known, did not really face racism in Scandinavian countries.. the way those in other European destinations did.
⚠️Caution:⚠️ if you want to turn you kids into money minting machines... ..the way the parents of Jaya Sharma (stage name: Jaya Kishori), Abhinav Arora did.. (then) it would be a good idea to STAY CLEAR of jurisdictions where the 'child protection' services are more serious about their work, than mob-lynchers here are.
(Trust me if you can.. the mob-lynchers here take their jobs VERY seriously.
Now interpolate that and imagine how fanatical the child protection services might be in Deutschland, Kanneda etcetera.)
P.S.: After seeing 😕this post🤢.. hope you no longer feel that your main post was 'long'.
🏻
Acres and acres of land, used for captive consumption (of fruits, vegetables).. which they claim to NOT have been sprayed with any synthetic fertilisers, urea, pesticides.. since about 1992.
Even the use of Hit or other sprays in rooms (of the old-age residential quarters) is prohibited.
Let the bugs swarm your food and die naturally: is the policy.
Now the vendor/BPO which runs the Amazon customer service sites in BDQ.. has shifted to this commercial complex.. close to a D-mart, in Baroda.
Even 18-20 year
@ishandon @delicious-jatt @blanco @shaqib19 @madmonk (in some aspects) Indore.. kuch jyada hee😊 'laid back' nahin lagte.. aksar?
Those large biogas plants/ landfills turned CNG generation units on the outskirts of Indrapuri/Indore .. really are mesmerising actually.
And yes, maybe the air quality in the outskirts is a bit better than in the core areas.
Though many ARE a rip-off, both education wise, medical care facilities wise.. Indore is sufficiently good.
Air connectivity with local and international destinations has been improving. (Indigo, I heard, is adding more flights to Kolkata.)
@bat_man how about Nagpur then? Even there.. temperatures do go above 40°C. Vidarbha region.. not that far from the Chandrapur coal mines belt.
Between Amdavaad and Baroda.. I would say Baroda is much more cosmopolitan and professional minded.
(Take examples of total count of communal friction, communal violence in 25-30 years in Amdavaad versus.. say: Vadodara.)
If one takes the statistics of what I mentioned in parenthesis above, then Baroda seems like a place with less किच-किच/ nuisances.
@farzimaal @crook @freebaba would you say that Poona/Pune is rapidly (almost too rapidly) headed in the same direction as Bengaluru.. EXCEPT OF-COURSE पुणे/ पूना has enough water-bodies around it.. for it not to feel as helpless (as Bengaluru) during droughts (coupled with unnaturally high number of residents)?
@censuresh agreed that nit everyone can find a cosy or breezy, well ventilated property in a high-rise rise.. at the right time (price) and agreed that Bombay, Madras/ Mumbai/ Chennai (salt-water) moisture laden air can corrode things faster.
But still.. what might your thoughts be.. ob Chennai as a forever home or as a transitionary place of stay?
@sence @cybertechie @kshmr @a2zdeals Your thoughts, if any, about the regions that you know more closely or have lived in for long enough (to gauge their pros and cons).
Do you have any idea which IT skills/technologies have more opportunities to move out of India? And which country/city has good infrastructure with low cost of living and high salary for Indian techy?
Jaipur
3 hours drive from Gurgaon.
I live in Jaipur too, office is in Gurgaon.
I would suggest Pune followed by Hyderabad and Bangalore because of the below reasons
1. The culture is not far different from NCR compared to Hyderabad or Bangalore
2. Rent should be less compared to Hyderabad, I donot even dare to think about Bangalore in this regard
3. Bangalore is already overcrowded, too much traffic and Hyderabad is not far from it, It will be same as Bangalore in the next 5 years. Pune is still at it's nascent stage albeit growing at a faster pace
It would be easier to find a new job in the above cities if you want to switch your company in future, tier-II cities and towns will not have similar opportunities. Excluded Mumbai as it stands last in-terms of AQI,and rent compared to above 3
make a list of satellite tier 2 cities of delhi ( faridabad, rohtak, karnal etc) and Hyderabad and sort by aqi of last few years
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you can include pune also
from what i have heard
near Chennai, Thiruvananthapuram, vizag etc are also good places at least for now if cultural shift works for you
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these all options will serve your purpose for the next few years without damaging any job or education prospects
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also from what i know could be wrong the smog or extremely high aqi is actually in line with the flow pattern of november winds outside of that path of wind currents conditions are somewhat better so you can check that data also
Chk for city touching villages of faridabad
Staying where you are is heaven @thewebcoder Don't hunt for the change. If you migrate to other places there will be other complications. Your family members may not feel the same.
I always recommend Mumbai or Navi Mumbai.
Fancy apartments will cost a bomb in rent but there is a whole range of options available. My friend stays in a 1BHK in Airoli (Navi Mumbai) for Rs 18k a month with no amenities like gym, swimming pool, etc. People also pay Rs 1L a month as rent based on location and type of housing society / age of the building.
Public transport is really cheap and effective; you just need to get used to it and work around peak hours. I go from one end of the city to the airport in Rs 10 (Rs 5 for train to Vile Parle, Rs 5 for a BEST bus which drops right outside the terminal). Taxis and autos run by the meter and Ola/Uber are there. e-Commerce is quick. Traffic is much better than Bengaluru.
Flights and trains are also aplenty being the financial capital.
Summers are milder than NCR and winter are much milder. Monsoons can be harsher. Be prepared to be inconvenienced around a week every monsoon. Bengaluru wins the weather battles, I believe, but last year they had water issues. Mumbai typically doesn't have water issues. Check the society before committing.
Language is not a problem at all unlike Bengaluru or Chennai. Marathi is much closer to Hindi then Kannada or Tamil. So, you will learn a few basic words in no time without any effort and even understand most of it when people speak it.
The vibe of the city is unbeatable. Schools, hospitals, places to eat, worship, hang out, theatres - everything is perfect.
Will this work out ? Long-term relocation to a new place other than the capital cities.
The locals and neighbors will notice that you are not going out to a 9 to 5 job everyday, they start getting suspicious and begin meddling into your life and make you to relocate again.
For WFH environment , I think it is better suited to stay where the locals already know you or your extended family.
Re location with kids , having own home, is itself a very big decision..
Imo.. u may consider below also in order ..
1. Indore
2. Udaipur
3. Ahemdabad/Baroda
4.
(Else .. U didn't mention ur hometown, another option is to also consider , any place which is nearby to it... )
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south state/Kerala
(...as this can be emotionally draining for such young kid to lose friends..)
They will cope well and/or enrich themselves with all kinds of new experiences.
Not sure whether the real estate in Gurugram was planned as a capital asset or as an 'investment',
but from my family's experience... of selling the (DLF) Silver Oaks property (a decade plus after taking possession from the builder).. it felt like.. DadiMaa was so right.
If DadiMaa had her way, her sons would eat from silver utensils daily and put more and more money in gold.
(iron, silver, gold were here preferred metals, than alloys like steel.)
If you really feel confident that remote maintaining a property in Gurugram.. will not be a strain for you, then fine.
But (from the looks of it) if there is not much emotional attachment to Gurugram and with another 2-3 decades (and more) of productive life left
it would not be much of a regret to have one's time and other resources focussed/ focused elsewhere (than to remote manage a property in a bustling town).
God forbid if it remains vacant for a couple of months, you might also start taking calls from relatives/friends
..arey webcoder, wo apne Tyagi ji hein nn! Unke chhotey bete ki shaadi hai.
Bahot insist kar rahe they ki aana hee padega.
Hum soch rahe they.. abb hotel mein kyun rukkey¿ jab webcoder ka ghar.. khaali hee pada hai.
Chaar din ki hee tou baat hai.
(Translation: o webcoder, isn't your property in Gurugram vacant? Actually missus is VERY close to her aunt... who has had a major surgery, just yesterday. For few days, missus really wants to be close to her aunt and get her home cooked meals. Gimme your property's keys.)
If you have already shot down the quieter, hilly environs of Uttarakhand, Himachal and are not keeping eastern places on your radar
then nothing much to suggest really.
It might have helped to know your/ your better half's cultural preferences or cultural background or rather how you might gel with what kind of people.
For example, Rajasthan is close by.
It has both vegetarian and non-vegetarian, business background and service/profession background people,
it can have both.. super traditional localities (where kids and elders take time to draw rangolis for even smallest of occasions) .. as also localities where nobody raises eyes if teenaged kids are out late, with other friends (all of whom wearing the kind of clothes which was DEFINITELY not an option in our lifetimes).
You kids are young. THESE things WILL matter.
Although only for someone in our close circle family.. it happened in Ghaziabad, Gurugram itself.
Other kids can straight-up say things like: 👶🏻Raani👧🏻 ki family 'gareeb' hai. Inkey paas sirf ek car hai, woh bhi Maruti swift.
Such things can and do happen elsewhere too.
AFTER moving somewhere.. guardians/you will have little control in shielding the kids from various types of experiences.
Even in (4 million population types) mid-sized cities/locations with heavy traffic in mornings, evenings and other pollution
it IS possible to have an apartment 80-90 feet above the ground in the outskirts... with less high-rise construction around.. so that the winds/breeze ensures less smog is present.
Other than education, you mentioned medical facilities.
Education is more or less standardised.
But in some places, decent medical facilities are an issue or are exorbitant/ rip-off.
Is Odisha in 'east' according to you thewebcoder?
Disclaimer: till now, I have only informed about things, facts and/or asked questions.
Nothing in my above lines may be construed as a 'recommendation'.
Rajasthan was just a topical example and Odisha query was just to gauge your response/s.
If it were for me to recommend, I would still.. only nudge.
Places like Australia, Scandinavian countries are 'under' populated.. when it comes to (white collar) skilled labour.
Most of Australia, Scandinavian countries are fairly 'khula khula' and are ready on one feet (ek taang par khade ho kar swaagat karne ke liye tayaar rehti hein) to welcome skilled people in their countries.
Scandinavian countries mein.. "kulfi" khareedni nahin padti.
Single layer ya double layer clothing mein.. shaam ko baahar niklo.. tou khud kulfi ban jaaatey hein.
While in some parts of Australia, one can have the privilege of the coroner stating.. the cause of death as
got kicked to death by a dinosaur.
😁👍🏼
So yeah, Scandinavian countries, Australia have their own charm. Definitely more airy.
The African descent locals, migrants from Africa, Asia that I have known, did not really face racism in Scandinavian countries.. the way those in other European destinations did.
⚠️Caution:⚠️ if you want to turn you kids into money minting machines... ..the way the parents of Jaya Sharma (stage name: Jaya Kishori), Abhinav Arora did.. (then) it would be a good idea to STAY CLEAR of jurisdictions where the 'child protection' services are more serious about their work, than mob-lynchers here are.
(Trust me if you can.. the mob-lynchers here take their jobs VERY seriously.
Now interpolate that and imagine how fanatical the child protection services might be in Deutschland, Kanneda etcetera.)
P.S.: After seeing 😕this post🤢.. hope you no longer feel that your main post was 'long'.
Indore, Vadodara - if you are ok with laid back lifestyle
Pune, Ahmedabad - if you want metro feel
Acres and acres of land, used for captive consumption (of fruits, vegetables).. which they claim to NOT have been sprayed with any synthetic fertilisers, urea, pesticides.. since about 1992.
Even the use of Hit or other sprays in rooms (of the old-age residential quarters) is prohibited.
Let the bugs swarm your food and die naturally: is the policy.
Now the vendor/BPO which runs the Amazon customer service sites in BDQ.. has shifted to this commercial complex.. close to a D-mart, in Baroda.
Even 18-20 year
oldsyoungs, juggle between college and 9 hours 'flexi' shifts at such call centres and have a sense of pride in supporting themselves.@ishandon @delicious-jatt @blanco @shaqib19 @madmonk (in some aspects) Indore.. kuch jyada hee😊 'laid back' nahin lagte.. aksar?
Those large biogas plants/ landfills turned CNG generation units on the outskirts of Indrapuri/Indore .. really are mesmerising actually.
And yes, maybe the air quality in the outskirts is a bit better than in the core areas.
Though many ARE a rip-off, both education wise, medical care facilities wise.. Indore is sufficiently good.
Air connectivity with local and international destinations has been improving. (Indigo, I heard, is adding more flights to Kolkata.)
@bat_man how about Nagpur then? Even there.. temperatures do go above 40°C. Vidarbha region.. not that far from the Chandrapur coal mines belt.
Between Amdavaad and Baroda.. I would say Baroda is much more cosmopolitan and professional minded.
(Take examples of total count of communal friction, communal violence in 25-30 years in Amdavaad versus.. say: Vadodara.)
If one takes the statistics of what I mentioned in parenthesis above, then Baroda seems like a place with less किच-किच/ nuisances.
@farzimaal @crook @freebaba would you say that Poona/Pune is rapidly (almost too rapidly) headed in the same direction as Bengaluru.. EXCEPT OF-COURSE पुणे/ पूना has enough water-bodies around it.. for it not to feel as helpless (as Bengaluru) during droughts (coupled with unnaturally high number of residents)?
@censuresh agreed that nit everyone can find a cosy or breezy, well ventilated property in a high-rise rise.. at the right time (price) and agreed that Bombay, Madras/ Mumbai/ Chennai (salt-water) moisture laden air can corrode things faster.
But still.. what might your thoughts be.. ob Chennai as a forever home or as a transitionary place of stay?
@sence @cybertechie @kshmr @a2zdeals Your thoughts, if any, about the regions that you know more closely or have lived in for long enough (to gauge their pros and cons).