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old dimer here but this is a throwaway account. I am a man almost 40 years old and working at a PSU. August 2023 we finally were finally blessed with a baby after 8 years of trying via IVF. Before she came out we have tried multiple Times to an extreme extent but we could not get pregnant.So much so was that disappointment that it has started to eat into our relationship.

After our baby was born life has never been better.Everything has started the fall into place and life which had seemed to be so difficult previously has been easy now.

A few days back We found out we are pregnant again. Since we had to do IVF we actually thought it was impossible for us to have a natural conception. But somehow we're kind of sure that we have a second kid on the way.

I want your advice guys.
Is natural conception possible after ivf?
Is it possible to secure a good future for both of my kids or should I go for abortion?

My first kid will be 21 when I retire, is it advisable to go for a second kid?

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Hi Friend, Yes it's possible to conceive after IVF, and the number is quite significant ( over 10-20 percent cases). But I don't think having a second kid* is purely a financial choice. You have a toddler baby, raring two very young babies with less than three of years gap is also very big responsibility, especially for the mother's body. 


You should calculate the financial aspect. As a stranger I  can only give you wrong guidance here without knowing all the details of your life style and finances.  But before that consider these following question?

• Do you two really want a second child ever in the future?

•• You may not ever  conceive again naturally. Would you ever go for a IVF to conceive a second child if money isn't an issue?

•••  Do you feel having a dependable sibling ( close reliable brother or sister)  is important or necessary *for mental and social well-being *of a growing child into a good "human  being"? especially in today's nuclear family structure.

•⭐• Do you think this new child would bring great joy to you two?  Maybe not as much as your first born, but close enough.


If most answers are no then postpone, consider abortion.


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Having 2 kids will only stabilize human kind.

I do find that emotionally you are overjoyed.

Now  the question is limited to your financial  and

physical capabilities to look after the children.

Only you can answer these.

if at all possible  , He/She has a right to live


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Bro, having 2 childs and nurturing them, will not exhaust all your life funds. As the inflation grow,  salary also grows,  plus u r a public servant,  so u have a secured job. Think about life of private sector guys.

Regarding natural conception after IVF,  no body can clearly say anything. We all have heard news of 60+ aged women getting pregnant,  whereas modern science says menopause happens after 45+ age. 

Lastly thinking about abortion will be a sin. Abortion is only suggested when baby has abnormalities and to free a soul from future suffering,  its advisable. Otherwise people nowadays use technology for committing crimes,  everyday we hear news of murder,  extortion etc. 

My final advice is,  welcome ur new kid, get all test, scans done properly. Try to give good education + moral teachings to both ur childrens.

Thats how humanity will survive after our departure 🙏

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Hi Friend, Yes it's possible to conceive after IVF, and the number is quite significant ( over 10-20 percent cases). But I don't think having a second kid* is purely a financial choice. You have a toddler baby, raring two very young babies with less than three of years gap is also very big responsibility, especially for the mother's body. 


You should calculate the financial aspect. As a stranger I  can only give you wrong guidance here without knowing all the details of your life style and finances.  But before that consider these following question?

• Do you two really want a second child ever in the future?

•• You may not ever  conceive again naturally. Would you ever go for a IVF to conceive a second child if money isn't an issue?

•••  Do you feel having a dependable sibling ( close reliable brother or sister)  is important or necessary *for mental and social well-being *of a growing child into a good "human  being"? especially in today's nuclear family structure.

•⭐• Do you think this new child would bring great joy to you two?  Maybe not as much as your first born, but close enough.


If most answers are no then postpone, consider abortion.


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Will answer your questions

1. We never thought about it since we thought it was impossible for us to conceive naturally, but we are happy that it has happened

2.The second conception happened naturally

3.We feel for our first baby it will be beneficial

4.We are already overjoyed, but confused

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Pls don't go with abortion. Everyone comes for a reason, and I don't think you have financial problems.

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Bhagwan ka diya diya sabkuch hai apka pas.

Bache to bhagwan ka roop hote.

Kids are god's face .

2 bache hai meethi kheer 

Usse jyada bawasir.

Even government advice two kids.

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Having 2 kids will only stabilize human kind.

I do find that emotionally you are overjoyed.

Now  the question is limited to your financial  and

physical capabilities to look after the children.

Only you can answer these.

if at all possible  , He/She has a right to live


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With all due respect, this is a very personal decision and at best, you may consult close family and friends. Not public forums!

None of us here understand your family mind space (you and your spouse especially), neither we understand your financial stability, nor your opinion on what is the ideal family size. There are hundreds of factors that you might think or narrow down on one major factor to decide as well.

Not sure how serious you are to go by suggestions here, but sort things out. Not the right place or right way to do it.

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I do agree with you. But I OP might be looking different perspectives to his situation, not just advice.
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It's a personal decision like @raghupro said, no amount of advice is practical without being in your shoes.

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Whatever you choose, but dont kill your LIVING BABY which is inside. It already have life. 
abortion is sofesticated english term. Real term is in Hindi (Garbh-hatya).
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Please consult your queries with biologist/professors (preferably zoology and related background). 

Byaktigoto vabe ami mone kori tomader jibone dwitiyo sontan asuk, vrunero pran ache! Asha korbo sontander prokrito shikkhito kore tulbe, jara boro hoye thik ke thik, vul ke vul bolar khomota rakhbe, merudondo thakbe, shubho kamona roilo ❤️

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Bro, having 2 childs and nurturing them, will not exhaust all your life funds. As the inflation grow,  salary also grows,  plus u r a public servant,  so u have a secured job. Think about life of private sector guys.

Regarding natural conception after IVF,  no body can clearly say anything. We all have heard news of 60+ aged women getting pregnant,  whereas modern science says menopause happens after 45+ age. 

Lastly thinking about abortion will be a sin. Abortion is only suggested when baby has abnormalities and to free a soul from future suffering,  its advisable. Otherwise people nowadays use technology for committing crimes,  everyday we hear news of murder,  extortion etc. 

My final advice is,  welcome ur new kid, get all test, scans done properly. Try to give good education + moral teachings to both ur childrens.

Thats how humanity will survive after our departure 🙏

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bro visit a CA 

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Honest inputs on one side 🆚 clichés/platitudes on other side!

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After long time seen such contrast at one thread in DD!! Amazing!!!

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I wish I knew your non throwaway account.. or you.

Pakad kar dhulai karta.😤

New life, that too human being hai.
khud ka bachha.

koi majaak nahin chal raha hai😠.

How lightly you are saying things, almost as though the thread is a joke and not serious.


And for a 40 year old, what is this Gen-Z language that "we" are pregnant?

you just passed out after 4½ minutes of doing your 💦 thing.
Your missus🤰🏻 is the one going through morning sickness, squeezed bladder which requires frequent emptying, sometimes GI tract issues (including constipation, at times), less control on gas, mood swings, cravings, hormonal surges and the whole nine yards.

And this does NOT end at forty-weeks!!
The species became the top predator. The brain is one of the main reasons.
But such a complex brain cannot be manufactured in merely forty weeks of gestation.

So nature decided, what the heck, let them come out dumb.. then let the brain develop for twenty-five years or so.

Homo sapien babies are SO dumb, that they are actively seeking ways to die.

Thus for a mother, that too a biological mother.. the ordeal actually doubles down after the forty weeks.

Goddamnit 👶🏻babies👼🏻 do NOT follow ANY set routine.
The concept of 'let us sleep at night and let others too peacefully get some rest'.. does NOT exist for them.

So a mother, that too the one who is actively nursing.. actually benefits from learning to take even 15 minutes naps if the little 👼🏻beep👶🏻/ 👼🏻beeps👶🏻 let her.

So please🙇🏻.. better not say 'we'.
🤰🏻she is preggers and both of you are expecting.

Lucky for you (or me).. that we never have to go through it or realise.. what happens when the (so called).👶🏻bundle of joy👼🏻.. instead of simply latching ON.. decides to bite or sink their teeth in the areola or other sensitive skin.
It does hurt.🥹


And what's with the first question🤯.. that too in bold😲?

At first you said she has conceived and then you said that you are 'kind of sure'.

And then asking 'is it possible after IVF'
What kind of a question is this😖?

Rather than saluting her uterus for supporting the zygote (the ovum, which one of your swimmers fertilised and fused with)
and rather than saluting your swimmers for taking the arduous journey..

you have disbelief☹️?

How dare you insult nature (and/or God, if you aren't an atheist) by asking if it is possible?

Of-course it is possible. Nothing.. and I mean NOTHING.. overrules nature (and God, if you aren't an atheist).. if THEY want something to happen.

I am not really inclined to answer question two.. nor have the frame of mind anymore.

But yeah... again.. citing nature/God,

... with efforts from you and her (the parents), one's destiny, efforts of others, the kid's own प्रारब्ध (prarabdh).. yes it is hundred percent possible to secure a contended, relatively peaceful life for them.
(This is irrespective of whether you are a service class person or a cobbler by the roadside, mending footwear.)

The kid's prarabdh (प्रारब्ध) was decided and set EVEN BEFORE the two of you got romantic that breezy evening/morning.

The प्रारब्ध [prarabdh] remains more or less 'set'.. even though it 'might' have the concept of 'carry-forward'.

The prarabdh [प्रारब्ध] of the 👶🏻unborn👶🏻 is ALREADY decided.. and the outcome (whether 👶🏻s/he👼🏻 would get aborted or get to experience this life outside of the mother) is ALL already etched (by the prarabdh [प्रारब्ध]).
If born.. what health or illnesses the 👶🏻child👼🏻 would have at what times, how they will fare and cope with everything (throughout their life) is already locked by the प्रारब्ध/prarabdh even before 👼🏻she or he👶🏻 got conceived.

Such posts or asking other's views.. are immaterial now.




i dare you.. if her/his prarabdh is that she/he will live a healthy life.. well into her/his nineties.. then.. forget you (the 'almost 40' PSU employee).. but even the WHOLE universe cannot abort the 👶🏻little one👼🏻.
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i do not know what i blurted, why i blurted.
i was.. and still am raging with emotions.
i am logging out.

[as of now, i do not think i will take anything back (from what i blurted)].
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Congrats and happy for you OP.

we are  4 Years into marriage and we are expecting baby (she is 5 months pregenant now) . i know the hurdles you might have passed in your fertility journey as i have experienced the same.

Please dont abort it doesnt cost much to raise a child in middle class society in india . i am pretty sure you will raise the younger one and your elder daughter very well. <3 

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it is easy to find it who are you, but out of your respect leaving it aside.

firstly this is a very personal decision. dont listen to strangers on this matter.

yes getting pregnant is possible after ivf.

regarding abortion, are you ready to murder someone? if it is due to some extreme health situation such as threat to the women and children then there is a legal way to do it. but if you are just thinking about this due to a financial situation then you are a fookin idiot. what if your first child becomes a chapri and the second child would have been an elon musk? or what if you loose everything in your bank balance, then what?

to conclude this is a personal decision. if this is due to health situation then follow legal guidelines if this is due to financial situation then not a good idea.

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I want your advice guys.
Is natural conception possible after ivf?

- Consult you doctor / gynaec for pros and cons .. also take different tests .. opinions from different doctors if needed .

Is it possible to secure a good future for both of my kids or should I go for abortion?

Do not go for this much planning .. life works in magical ways .. evident with your current scenario . Pray for the best and go ahead .


on side note i only fovour abortion if needed in medical ways or some un avioidable constraints .. your excuse of financial stability is pointless . 

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What was your IVF cost. I am 33 years. Married when I was 26. Did multiple ovulation induction and IUI and IVF. Had 2 kids but had to abort in 6th month due to heart issue…  Me and my wife are having medicine since 7 years and visiting hospital thrice every month.. Still we are trying hard to conceive. We spend heavily in hospital, Food, temple, donation and astrology 

If I would be in your situation I would be happy and never ever thought of having abortion..

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Hello @rajatIndia ,

i did ivf twice and it costed me around 2,35,00 each time . but we did in cloudnine bangalore and its known for expensive treatments but my wife conceived on second chance .

dont loose hope and also dont stress out too much with fertility thoughts . in my limited experience i think conceiving will only happen when we never stress about it.
best of luck with your journey

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I see many opinions on this topic, some I agree, many I don't.


1) @raghupro agree with you that this is a private decision, should be discussed privately. But family and friends would always have a strong biased towards a outcome that makes them most happy/ comfortable..In that regard, different perspectives of someone who is emotionally detached from this situation can be really useful. Same reason doctors don't operate on their friends or family member.

2) To Dimers comparing feticide to baby murder....

A sperm and egg is not a zygote (fertilized egg), zygote is not a embryo... embryo is not a Fetus... Fetus is not a baby and a baby is not a adult human (who can vote) 
Just like seeds are not plants.

They are difference in terms of ages, stages.

If sperms could be considered half humans (one of the haploid cells in zygote)  then I'm definitely guilty of mass genocide.... every week.

3) People who are saying raising a child isn't expensive for  middle-class families, I don't know if they have been involved in calculating expenses for a child. It's damn expensive.

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@mainakzf5505
Raising a child is expensive. Raising two children is almost twice as expensive. From the day of the good news, going to the OBGYN for pre-natal checkups to paying for their college tuition, you'd be spending money All your life. But if you can can save that money, What would you do it that? What would you do... which worth a abortion (feticide)?

If you believe giving all the attention and resources to your first born would make her better and more successful then think again. There are many examples of people from weaker economic sections getting great success in life compared to privileged one's.

Having two kids, your finances would definitely take a hit. You might need to adjust your Life and lifestyle accordingly. But many people feel that a child is worth that sacrifice. Many couples never have kds... even though they naturally can. But you have been trying for years until you succeeded.

You mentioned you're 40, I hope it's not unfair of me to assume your wife is atleast 30. So chances of conceiving again ( naturally) is getting slimmer every passing month.

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Make sure you have help from family members or atleast domestic help ( paid help servants) during the period. Otherwise it would be hard for you two to handle.


Think of this situation as buy 1 ( through IVF) get 1 free ( naturally) stuck_out_tongue ... Sorry couldn't resist myself from making that joke.

On a serious note, If any serious medical abnormality defect is detect is detected in Fetus,, don't hesitate, consider abortion.





 

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Dear OP

I cant answer first question because not qualified for that

"Is it possible to secure a good future for both of my kids or should I go for abortion?"

Answer - What is good future ?? what is the definition of good future ??

No one knows what will gonna happen after 10 years or 20 years so stop worrying about future things because no one knows any answer

Abortion = it's a sin to kill your own child even thinking about this is sin, I am 43 years old person and seen 1 relative, married in 2010 and still trying IVF and spent 10 lakhs plus and finally going for adoption ....

My first kid will be 21 when I retire, is it advisable to go for a second kid?

Answer = its completely okay to go for it because your first child will have a company and both together will bond well and you will be living happily so not think much about society and this age issue .

Every child has its own stars and luck okay so do not worry about future you can plan it well 

god bless you and your family and I wish you luck happy life happy health for your unborn baby and whole family

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Hi all, happy see this kind of thread., even my suggestion..is similar to raghupro..

None of us here understand your family mind space (you and your spouse especially)

Mothers responsibility will be very high during during initial years like up to 10 years appx, of course both parents have same responsibility. no offense to any one.

This is imp from, Total fun says, On a serious note, If any serious medical abnormality defect is detect is detected in Fetus,, don't hesitate, consider abortion

And true that, pingpong says, True that, After long time seen such contrast at one thread in DD!! Amazing!!!

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1️⃣ To answer your first question,
Yeah, it’s definitely possible to conceive naturally after IVF. It might seem surprising, but IVF doesn’t really lower your chances of natural conception. Sometimes after a successful pregnancy, the body just kinda resets itself...hormones, endometrium, all that stuff can improve naturally... and bam, another pregnancy happens. It’s more common than you think.

Anddddddd About your worries on securing a future for both kids... it’s totally normal to feel unsure. Think about what having a second child means for you "emotionally", not just financially!!. Kids bring both joy and challenges, so if you and your partner feel ready for it, it’s definitely something to consider. 💕


2️⃣ Don't rush into the conclusion of abortion... there’s always a 'what if?' What if the second child completes your family? That’s a beautiful possibility to consider. Remember, abortion could mean closing an entire chapter of your life!!!

(+Do NOT think of abortion as something simple like they show in the movies.
In reality, it can lead to serious complications like uterine perforation or even sepsis. It's important to be fully aware of the risks too!! )

3️⃣I get that financial planning is crucial, especially with retirement in mind, but that’s something you can tackle later. Take your time to think things through and maybe chat with a financial expert for a solid plan.

And about your worries regarding age... look at examples like Ranbir Kapoor! He became a dad at 40. Initially, he felt uncertain, but he embraced it and realized that age is just a number. Life is spontaneous, and living joyfully should be the ultimate goal!

All the best, brother! Don’t fear challenges—there’s always something positive to find. Embrace the journey and focus on the love family brings. You’ve got this Bhai ♥️💕

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Very well said. plus1♥️
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There are many great advices ahead by Dimers.

I have gone through the most, and I might have missed something as well, but I will just add-

1. It must be your personal choice.

2. At least 2 Kids is a good idea, have many pros and very less cons.

3. Every New Life comes here with their own luck, charm. You will be able to manage everything. Fave faith on nature 💫

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@batguy143 Doc, pls advise. TIA.

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Thanks for tag.
Though it's less of medical & more of personal query, let me share my views.

1. Yes, though not very common but natural conception after IVF is possible.
2. It is definitely possible to secure a good future for both your kids. Though it's your personal decision but doing abortion for this reason doesn't seems justified at all.

Most people these days spend much more than actually required just to fit in the society & to impress people. If one ties to live actually for their needs & some wants & for their real happiness, it costs much lesser than most of us spend.

We get thrilled by seeing budget travellers posts...how they do a trip in very less amounts & still enjoy BUT why can't we apply some unnecessary budget cuts in our daily life.

Just managing your expenses judiciously, you should be able to manage two kids. I absolutely know it is really costly nowdays to live a decent life but we have to see our priorities - choosing between aborting a child & managing your expenses in a better way.

P.S. - I don't know personal things about you guys so have written above things in general. Please don't mind if anything doesn't applies to you.

FInally I think the decisioin should be taken by you and your wife ONLY, as ultimately it will be two of you who will have the joy of two children and you two only will have to manage the finances as well as lots of others things that come with the kids.

We dimers, friends, relatives & everyone else can say our opinions but everything you both will have to go through.

Best wishes!
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