All you should know about health insurance before buying
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Thanks for the tag. Due to emergency and complications of preterm delivery, I had to rush to nearest hospital (costly and no cashless). It’s been more than a month now. Both mom and baby are safe and recovering well, that is the most important thing.
Coming to the insurance part, I was concerned about claim as there is a maternity limit. But later came to know that hospital discharge bill is seperate for baby and mother. First thing I added baby to claim and ID CARD.
I submitted the first bill of maternity claim of around 50k (that’s the limit) and within a week and it got approved, only rs.500 cut.
Second claim I submitted for baby’s discharge and it is around 1.7 lakhs. It’s been 2 weeks already and they are still processing. Status showing as referred for verification from one week, which was not there for maternity claim.
Now I understand the pain and tension of waiting for reimbursement.
There is no fixed rate.
All rates are decided by the hospital and is as per prevailing rates ..
With cash one can better negotiate with the hospitals(especially around the medicines required..one can get from any medical store against just the hospital store)
With Cashless claims ..I have always had delays during discharge, Major issues if the date happen to be public holiday. Plus all medicines need to be taken from hospital at MRP..
With post process claims/reimbursements ..No such headache of waiting for approvals, settlements ..Was able to get medicines on discount ..and yes their are no rejections here if the Insurance provider is notified during admission or within 24 hours and if you have proper documents(Hospital Discharge letter, Hospital certificate, original medical bills etc)..surely it takes more time for reimbursement but totally worth the money one saves
I have never seen a Hospital which has discounts on rates if you hold XYZ company policy (have visited at least 7-10 good hospitals in recent times across Pune, Mumbai, Nashik)
Pls do not give wrong suggestion. Before onboarding a hospital under cashless scheme, an insurance company bargain and agree on fixed rate for everything (room rent, operation, etc etc). All govt insurance companies have GIPSA rates which is even lower. Hospital has to agree to those preagreed rates before an insurance company agree to list that hospital under cashless scheme (hospital gets more patients if their hospital listed in every insurance companies cashless network). Can you list down which rate is higher for cashless?
Only medicines you are given at mrp. But do not give wrong advise to arrange medicine by own. Attendent should be taking care of patient or arranging all medicines. Every day you would need different medicines, dr will keep on changing, adding , removing medicines, and you want attendent to run outside and get that medicine. Hospital will arrange 1-2 tablets as per need (not whole strip), but you need to daily take care of each tablet, buy or return extra ones.
I am not able to understand what situation you are taking about and giving such advise. Hospitalization happens in emergency, you are assuming that patient will have 2-3 extra people to take care of all these things. Pls think practically. Even in reimbursements, hospitals arrange all medicines as needed , you should not be running to find where medicines are available.
I prefer to always go for cashless (unless you do not have a choice)
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Summarizing my experience with Insurance claims and Insurance providers (Sorry for Long post)
Year 2005:- Emergency Admission(Myself)
Tried to get admitted as Cashless, but was not having policy papers handy ..got the amount reimbursement latter. 1 additional visit to Hospital to get their registration certificate. No issue what so ever apart from general deductions
1st lesson learned. Dont be dependent on Health Insurance policy always have emergency funds. You never know under what circumstances admission is required and one may not be able to get hold of policy details
Year 2008:- Emergency Admission (Father)
Went with cashless, Initial 2-3 hours wasted in collecting policy information Co-coordinating with Hospital Claim Desk, Informing the insurance company. Pre-approval provided for X amount . Operation was done next day(Not sure if hospital waited for cashless approval or it was required to be done after a day). Dad has broken his hand and required metal implants to hold the bone together. Had to wait in hospital for Discharge as after final Bill approval came in like 3 hours ..paid the difference and left home
Lesson learned:- In case of Emergency your family needs you more than the hospital claim desk and TPA, Also Home is better than hospital and why to wait in Hospital for Discharge
Year 2014:- Emergency Admission- Maternity(Premature, different city than we planned for)
Got admitted telling hospital I dont have Insurance. (back of my mind I had plans to reimburse against my corporate policy)
My Wife was discharged on 2nd day(This was me negotiated with the hospital/doctor as Baby was to be in hospital for like 10 days ..so why to have two patience on record and keep increasing the Bills). We still occupied the same room(Got that reallocated to Baby). Also was able to refuse most of the non essential items. ..Post baby discharge filled claim for Wife and asked Baby to be added in Insurance (this took 15 days). Once added reimbursement claim was made for Baby. Overall no issue apart from normal deductions. Maternity claim was also within limit as we had got early discharge on papers (I think I had 40K limit that time)
Learning:- None..
Year 2017:- Planned Admission (Father),
I was not around with my Dad/Mom, asked them to just get the procedure done dont bother about Insurance and any other thing…They didnt faced any issue with the hospital (immediate admission, no waiting for discharge or any approval). By this time I already knew what all documents will be required for reimbursements so asked that to be taken along with Discharge(hospital not in my Home town) Submitted claim for Reimbursement (got only 50% of the claim)). Some emails with TPA and end of story
Learning:- While taking Insurance always pay attentions to fine details. My policy had limit for Room Rent (1% of SI).. This particular Admission was In Top Hospital of Mumbai where even the minimum room rent was above that limit.
Year 2019: 1. Planned Admission (Father)
Initial Plan was to get admitted as Cashless, But hospital claim desk wanted 4 years of policy documents(as they kept insisting that TPA sometimes ask that to make sure of the exclusions and all)…I was like dont want to waste time with you got admitted. During the course of 2 days got all details from the Hospital Claim desk regarding documents required for next time and all. Reimbursement was smooth normal deductions
Year 2019:- 2. Planned Admission(Father)- I was not around
I had prepared all the documents and given file to him(Copies of 4 year of policies, his identify proofs etc). he got admitted in cashless. He had to wait for couple of hours for discharge due to TPA taking few hours for final approval.
Learning:- Always ask hospital regarding rates for cashless vs cash (They had same rates for everything but when taking cash all medicines were discounted 20% off MRP). on further checking with the Medical Store at hospital I came to know they prefer cash admission. Cashless and all is lot of overheads for them and insurance companies sometimes take months to pay the dues. Overall I had to pay like 3K extra(or at least the insurance provider but that means I had higher claim and my SI went down)
Year 2019:- 3. Planned Admission(Father)- I was not around initially
Initial Plan was to have it cashless, As it was same hospital I knew everyone managed things via Phone/Emails (they had all the required details from last 2 admissions)
Plan for for 5 days of Stay this times but unfortunately things went sideways…Father was critical I had to fly back and be at hospital. lots/tons of Medicines (regretted why did I took Cashless ..as I had contacts in wholesale market and all the medicines could have been got for 40% cheaper..Hospital was also ok but due to Cashless admission I could not bargain anything with hospital this time). Total Bill was already above the SI and pre authorization amount. Discharge took almost 4 Hours (as it was done late at Night around 10PM..lot of problem as Hospital was not able to get approvals from TPA, Claim Staff was not around initially ..) . I paid like 2 Lacs (did not settled the final bill and said I will come afterwards to settle everything once I know the full amount. hospital was ok as they/doctors knew me by this time..but believe me this could have got really messy) ..went to hospital after 15 days settled out their bill(I had to pay additional 30K or so)
Learning:- Always have Emergency Funds, Insurance is good but they never offer any sort of convince nor bargaining power to customer
@Sudarshan61 Thanks for sharing your detailed experience.
My current maternity claim is almost going in the same direction. Wife got discharged early and baby was in hospital for around 15 days. I got the baby ecard within 2 days of birth and submitted bills after discharge. But I’m scared as it is getting delayed.
Dear Dimers Please check above premium chart in this policy premium is charged basis on account holders age and you can take policy for self,family and dependent parents and I think you will not get this feature in any health policy as all company charge premium on higher age for example your age is below 25 and married with kids and parents premium for 5 laksh is 14077 rs only for 10 lakhs 18951 and 15 lakhs 21700 irrespective of your parents age may be 65 years or more premium will be charged on youngest account holders age
Indain bank,Indian overseas Bank and Karnataka Bank Ltd account holders can get this policy
Company name Universal sompo general insurance.
Co-payment: 20% co-pay shall be applicable on each and every claim of Insured above
55 years of age.
You can also port policies
Not senior citizens who have taken claims already
thanks drjpatwa for the info! have shared this article here, https://www.desidime.com/news/insurance-buying-...
Update on corona Kavach & Rakshak policy:
Due to multiple reasons like fraud, indiscriminate use of insurance, unnecessary hospitalization etc. Corona exclusive policy like Corona Kavach & Rakshak are badly hit. Now for any claim in these policies are not easily pass. Company is asking for lots of queries like patient can be treated as home isolation etc. Etc.
So take decision accordingly. Don’t just get hospitalized because u have policy. They can reject ur claim & u have to pay huge amount from ur pocket in such case.
Remember Corona policy is not a replacement of Normal health insurance & If u have good standard health insurance without capping then no need of additional corona policy…
Remember Corona policy is not a replacement of Normal health insurance & If u have good standard health insurance without capping then no need of additional corona policy…
normal policy cover corona?
Any online purchase for corona kavach health insurance which is affordable and good …?
For easy comparison of all features of different company’s plan at one place, I have made Google Spread Sheet. This sheet will help everyone to compare & decide best policy for them. Those dimers who want it can request it here or pm me.
where is google sheet @drjpatwa
Be mindful of limitations, exclusions in your health insurance plan -
Alert: Max Bupa has started mentioning Covid related past diagnosis as PED.
What does it mean – If u have disclosed about past covid diagnosis & purchasing fresh policy from Max Bupa, they will consider it as PED & won’t give any claim related to Covid, Pneumonia & other lung diseases for next 3 years.
Not a good gesture from company. Either take policy before Covid occurs or better to take from other company if u have already diagnosed with Covid.
Note: This decision won’t affect existing Max bupa customers
Please send me those files 🙏
Please send me those files 🙏
Thank You very much Dr Patwa ji for suggesting best health insurance for my parents.
Thank you Dr Patwa ji for staying with me and applying 3 insurances.
As my parents had some pre existing disease maxbupa and Hdfc ergo rejected insurance approval but Dr Patwa stayed with me and applied for all other insurances and atlast I got an insurance approved.
I would suggest all the dimers who are interested to buy insurance to contact Dr Patwa
Welcome bro.
I always suggest best plan according to individual’s need.
If a group health insurance policy has 4 lac cover does it mean it will have room limits etc as generally only policies retail level with 5 lacs and above only dont have any sub limit /cap?
My new employer is showing INR 30k per annum is group health insurance benefit and hence enquiring wondering what will be the utility of this
I have a family 5+95 = 1 cr max bupa policy
@Dealhunting Group health insurance are customised plans. So can’t comment on it without reading policy wording.
Yes in majority company, retail policy below 5 lacs have sub-limits, capping except in HDFC, Max Bupa.
Can i get the spreadsheet? Vu
Which health insurance provider covers cost of treatment and recovery/post recovery at home?
Post hospitalisation expenses upto 60/90/180 days as per company are generally covered. Provided the company has admitted your hospitalisation claim
This includes consultation, medicines, etc
Is there a possibility of insurance premium hike anytime soon?
@drjpatwa Please send me the latest excel sheet of health insurance. Has the premium increased a lot in the last 1 year?
@gambitrite I am updating same sheet every now & then. So u can open same sheet. That is latest one only…
Bajaj increased premium by around 20% last year.
National Insurance increased premium between 20-110% !!! (For Sr. Citizen renewal quotations are more than doubled compare to last year in National Insurance)
Haven’t heard about premium hike in any other company. Hdfc (Erstwhile Apollo), Max Bupa, Star, Religare have not increased premium for sure that I know…
Best thing currently is to pay for longer duration (For 2 or 3 years paying option all company gives additional discount) So that ur price gets fixed for at least that much year.
is max bupa increasing renewal premiums his year due to covid?
@Dealhunting No they haven’t increased premium.
Age wise increase in premium is routine. I am talking about additional hike…
Here as per article max bupta health has 90% claim settlment ratio
https://www.insurancedekho.com/health-insurance...
Yes but that is as per third party website. No such data is officially reported by company to IRDA. So we don’t know whether this data is true or not…
I am planning to buy Max recharge policy but I am not sure if critical illness clause is covered without the add-on.
What my understanding is that policy won’t reimburse any of the critical illness unless I select the add-on feature
Link to policy
https://www.maxbupa.com/family-health-insurance...
@drjpatwa Can you please share your sheet with me
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