Dimer is not paying after taking trading gv

harish should pay ur due back immidiately.

also @flash007 u should not ask 4% for billpay discount. standard billpay discount is 2% and since u sold those vouchers @ 2% u can ask him billpay at 2% no more. if he agrees to give more than 2% discount on billpay thats his choice but u can not demand 4% discount. 

Can't trust no one now days ,that why I take payment first before anything

I sent @flash007 payment for his 3rd quantity also as soon as I took the 3rd voucher.But,the UPI payment went into pending status because of the Dhani wallet UPI id given by him did not properly respond to the payment request.Then I told him that I will send his payment after the pending ongoing UPI transaction is marked as failed.But,he continuously messaged me in the late night hours to send the payment again and again.The vouchers bought are not working when I tried to use.I bought 15000 Rs vouchers from him and not even 500 Rs was being usable.I seriously doubt the authenticity of the vouchers sold.So,I told him that I will send his last installment after the vouchers get transferred.All this happened,because his ad is incomplete.He did not mention that the vouchers are not transferable to merchant.But,he continuously called & messaged me everywhere even at 2 AM when I clearly told him that I have to Sleep.The problem with him is he only thinks about himself & not listen to others.

lol, why should OP wait till Jan 1st? It's not fair man @longlivesonusood

@longlivesonusood please pay to @flash007 as u have already redeemed voucher.

It's not ops responsibility that ur not able to transfer to bank

@longlivesonusood did you told op before deal that u will pay only after transferring to bank successfully??

Simple rule. Don't trust for big transaction even if he is admin unless you had already a history with the dimers. Having said that OP should get his money back immediately.

Can somebody explain what's hidden loot here??

Phonepe gv to bank transfer??

The UPI transfer I initiated to @flash007 at 12.37 AM itself is still in Pending and NOT marked as failed,but some people are judging & giving free advices to me.My 15000 Rs is also stuck in Phonepe gcs.I hardly have any proper sleep yesterday and my morning today also got wasted.

I will resolve this issue as soon as possible.Any further messages from anyone related to this topic will be ignored as I can not spend any more of my time on this now.

नींद खराब होने से इतना कौन परेशान होता है। लगता है आपने किसी और काम में बाधा डाल दी 😁

Ponder The Sleep Hypothesis 

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Abtak chalu hai ....ye....sonu sood samet dega 1 jan ko.. with new year gift.

@longlivesonusood should not be trusted. He is arrogant, irrelevant, irresponsible, full of excuses. Don't deal with him ....

Iska username change karo pehle... original Sonu Sood ki PR team ko pta chla to dikkat ho sakti h

hmm let me put an example 

no offense against anyone

so the example HYPOTHESIS I insert here is "i am gonna buy an extra key made for my lock" (so i give sizes and the "shop key maker" makes the key for me and sells it to me)

a) Usual "shopkeeper + customer" scenario:

I buy the "fabricated key" for my lock from a local store, i give money instantly and take the product

later on using the product (i.e key) i felt its defective, so i visit back the shop and ask refund by returning the product

that's how usually trade (buy/sell) happens (all around the world)

b) Regular long term "shopkeeper + customer" scenario:

I took the product (i.e key) from the shop and its a regular shop keeper I know, so I say that I will pay back tomorrow or month end (keep it in my regular accounts with mutual understanding of longterm relationship)

the shop keeper agrees and then i will pay tomorrow or month end

c) Unusual "shopkeeper + customer" (I never find this one anywhere)

I take the product and promise to pay back the money instantly after checking (instantly) by putting the product (i.e key) in my lock (the key works) and the lock works but unlocking there is small trouble the key wont come out FROM MY LOCK, now this is not the shop keeper's problem (its the customers handling and customers lock problem)

but still "I the customer" say I am not satisfied, so give me 1 week time or 1 month time, i will pull this STUCK key out and give it to you back, so till then i wont pay, will keep THIS key (product without paying anything) myself as well till it comes out of the stuck lock

no offense against anyone

what do you all think about this last scenario (C point)? 

After hours of discussion and 2 days of mental trouble.

@longlivesonusood finally agreed to pay my bills. But this instance taught me why not to trust the Dimer with high karma & old accounts as well.

I have sympathy with him that the GV is also stuck but on the other hand, I have a complaint with him as well that trading in bad faith is not okay. I can understand his intention was correct but the way he handled the issue is not okay at all.

If the trade is completed from one side based on trading terms, then you can't make your new term just because you got some surprise and have an upper hand on the traded material. This is 100% trading in bad faith. No matter what the reason is, if one side has honored the trading terms, then the second party must honor the same. You can't rule them; if you face some issues, you can request flexibility from them, but ruling over them is not correct.

The above issue I have faced on this exchange, which I never expected from an experienced dimer. I don't know if @Rosh_0007 @bumblefoot @admin can add/improve anything in the platform so that this doesn't happen again with anyone else. But I think we might need something if this type of dispute keeps happening.

Thank you everyone for the support. We can mark the thread as settled.

Update:

After 2 days of trauma and reputation damage,the issue was settled.While it's understandable to feel disappointed, it's important to avoid generalizations.One unforeseen incident can not decide everything.

I paid the bills and sent all the remaining small amount also to OP.I just realized how much impatient can some dimers will be and not all trades go as expected.Even when my UPI payment is still in pending status,still I paid the bills of OP in GOOD FAITH even before 48 hours (UPI waiting rule was ignored) of transaction hoping that OP will refund if my pending UPI payment gets settled to him.

I should have paid the bills long ago and solved the issue,but OP said he will get loss if it takes in bills.So,I thought of sending in money only to OP after few days instead of doing bill payments and I also searched for new ways to solve this issue,but no feasible options are available.

This is a case of how multiple entities involved can go wrong sometimes rather than naming it as trade of bad faith.Both the Phonepe vouchers and the Mobikwik UPI payment did not work as expected.My 10000 Rs is still unnecessarily stuck in the Phonepe gift cards section and my Mobikwik UPI payment sent to OP is still shown as Pending.

While it's essential to honor agreed upon terms, unforeseen circumstances can arise that may require certain adjustments.

Anyways,the issue is solved now @Rosh_0007 @admin @bumblefoot    

Username:  @longlivesonusood 

Read this thread to know what was the issue: https://www.desidime.com/discussions/dimer-is-n...

• The first thing he told me was that he would do the bill payment, only if I agreed to delete the DD thread, after bill payments.
• I declined that it is my decision and I don't agree with this as a deal term. It is up to me If I want to delete it or not
• We had a conflict about this, so I told him to keep the rs 5000 money and I am posting complaints on all places (group, DD, cybercrime, etc). Then after some back and forth, he agreed to do bill payment without having this as a deal term.
• He paid my bill of Rs 4903 but he wanted to refund me only 47rs because he wants to take 2% from 5k GV, I'm not sure if he doesn't understand this or was doing it purposely. But after explaining to him and warning him that I would raise this complaint to the group/DD, he paid the remaining 97rs.
• Also, I came to know why he was not ready to pay the bills in the first place, i.e. he has some suspicion that in the next month as well, he won't be able to withdraw the money from GV. This is why it is called trading in bad faith.

• Regarding Phonepe GV Stuck: You can't blame me for your lack of knowledge of the GV use. You haven't told me what you're going to do with those. Your exact words were:
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• Regarding the pending UPI transaction: Although your transaction was pending, the money was never debited from your account. I even told you that If I get multiple payments, I will refund you instantly. Also, you never clearly told me that you would refund on after the transaction failure. You keep changing your words between "1st January", "Few days", "48 hours", and "Pending transaction". I had no issues in waiting unless you had blocked me.

I am posting the chat history itself so that if anyone wants to understand who is trading in bad faith, they can read the complete conversation here: Check here

Adding this thread, because for some reason, the previous thread is locked, and I am not sure why it has been done by @admin @bumblefoot @Rosh_0007

I am only posting this for awareness. 

Everything is settled. I thought not to post this, so concluded myself yesterday but today when I saw some comments from Dimer on the last thread, I felt everyone should be aware of what happened in real. So I have added the WhatsApp conversation link, it will be helpful for anyone to understand the complete situation. 

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